1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Mart1n95 wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 22:45
Now, issue number 1. I hadn't seen this cracking until Id gotten the car home and was having a more thorough look around. Both rear chassis mounts are cracked, I think I will be repairing it with carbon fiber & epoxy (I already have some at home) and then A metal plate bonded over the top for additional strength
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Have a look at a late model excel for the back end support bracket. I'll dig a photo out.

Also look for Jason Goads boot crack repair thread. Just what you need. :roll: or it might have been Tanz.
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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Here's one
viewtopic.php?p=58227&hilit=boot#p58227

(neither of the two I thought, but nobody will know)
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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Hawaiis0 wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 22:01
Mart1n95 wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 22:45
Now, issue number 1. I hadn't seen this cracking until Id gotten the car home and was having a more thorough look around. Both rear chassis mounts are cracked, I think I will be repairing it with carbon fiber & epoxy (I already have some at home) and then A metal plate bonded over the top for additional strength
Image20250908_111400277 by
Have a look at a late model excel for the back end support bracket. I'll dig a photo out.

Also look for Jason Goads boot crack repair thread. Just what you need. :roll: or it might have been Tanz.
Hawaiis0 wrote: Thu Sep 25, 2025 22:05 Here's one
viewtopic.php?p=58227&hilit=boot#p58227

(neither of the two I thought, but nobody will know)
Brilliant, thanks for that! The cracking on my car doesn't look as bad as those so that's somewhat of a relief!

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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Todays update, timing belt & tensioner done, what a pain that tensioner was!

One thing that has me absolutely petrified, is the camshafts slipping when doing a timing belt. So imagine my surprise when all the posts I'd seen didnt show any locking pins or anything like that. Oh dear. So luckily I have a camshaft locking tool, so I removed the bracket for the cam cover and locked the cam gears with this, cable tied on so there's no chance of it falling of and ruining my day
Image20250929_093414831 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Rebuilt the tensioner, this was a pig of a job because for whatever reason the inner bearing race would not fit properly onto the tensioner body, and again I was petrified of cracking or breaking the cast aluminium parts when pressing it together in the vice.
It looked like this but dirtier before the rebuild, so no before photo required
Image20250929_110539656 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

I had loosened off the distributor drive gear before removing the belt initially, so I got the bolt out for the water pump. To get the belt off I had to move the crank & cam gears slightly to remove the tension, but because of my cam gear locking tool I could no longer see the timing marks, and without the V-belt pulley you can't see the crank timing marks either, so it was a bit of a guesstimate for getting the belt on right. When putting on the first time I was off by a tooth on the distributor drive gear, easily sorted.
However what was a real pain was getting that spring back on for the tensioner. Tried in the vice initially to compress and put in an official Lotus Locking Pin (3.5mm drill bit) but the bearing makes it difficult, so I tried to do it on the car as I'd managed it before as I had to put it back in when I forgot to loosen off the crank bolt. Alas it did not work and fought me valiantly. So removed the tensioner and managed to compress it in the vice as I knew there was no other way, and it was surprisingly easier on the second attempt somehow

Gave the engine a good dosing of brake cleaner as it was covered in oil & crud, so hopefully now I can see what I'm looking at & oil leaks will be easier to spot, already found in my cleaning that the cam covers have silicone on the joins, so new gaskets will be required to remedy that
Image20250929_130717747 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Couldnt be bothered going under the car to get to the sump plug because the floor is absolutely minging with oil and oily related mess. I cant get the car up on the ramp yet as the car wont roll as the front tyres are flat (only at the bottom), new tyres are on their way. So I used an oil sucker vacuum pump, which inevitably struggled as the oil is thick and cold and they only really work with hot/warm oil. I had filled the bores with as much ATF fluid as I could, handy tip from a mechanical friend as it breaks down rust and will free off the piston rings if their stuck, so had to get this oil out before turning the car over.

Got a new oil filter from PNM, but it doesnt fit, too long! Bugger. I have however just found in my googling that this is a common issue, and people have been known to remove the starter motor to get it to fit, so I'll be doing that tomorrow
Image20250929_144327552 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Other jobs done, never took photos though:
Drained fuel tank of old varnish, must have been about 15 liters
Removed fuel line fittings from carbs, flushed through fuel lines with fresh fuel. Fuel pump works which is a result.

I have a small cassette collection problem, its a problem because cassettes aren't cheap these days. However I did treat myself specifically for this lotus. It even has a receipt inside from 1987!
Image20250929_161017656 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

I'm currently trying to remove the power steering pump bracket so that I can remove the water pump, so hopefully have that off tomorrow to be sent away for a rebuild

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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Great progress Martin! You could always change to a "manual" tensioner later on.

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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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This car fighting every step of the way.

Oil filter has now been changed, done some research and the starter has to come off in order to fit, I must have the original starter on

Image20250930_093610675 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
Image20250930_094057192 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

After that I was good to try and start the car, well try I did. Tried and tried and tried. No fuel getting into the combustion chamber, so pulled the jets and cleaned out, sprayed carb cleaner in all the holes, then removed the accelerator pump assembly and sprayed in about there. Then the rearward carb would overflow into the intake, and both would still not squirt fuel when the throttle was pulled, so accelerator circuit not working on both.

So obviously they had to be rebuild, lucky I have a massive ultrasonic bath that I bought to fit my beetle engine heads in. stripped them a bit and stuck them in, one at a time for 5 minutes at a time. I've been caught out before letting aluminium parts sit in for too long and it causes discolouration and strips the zinc plating off

Image20250930_140052958 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Before and after
Image20250930_135218588 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
Image20250930_135152502 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

All done cleaning
Image20250930_135234751 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
Image20250930_142638402 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
A genuine rebuild kit and 4 column manometer from eurocarb have now been ordered and on their way

The aluminium coolant pipes were looking rubbish, one was completely blocked with coolant residue, which I hope isnt a sign of things to come. I bought this vibratory polisher years ago, its great to throw things in for a cleanup with little effort, just dont put in things where the little ceramic balls can block ports etc, like carbs and mechanical fuel pumps etc
Image20250930_125141907 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
Image20250930_211223604 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Time to remove the waterpump. Looks like there was once a stud on the bottom bolt hole, I can only assume this played a part to why the car leaked all the water out, and maybe why a previous owner stopped using the car as I knew it was going to give a lot of grief. As its right next to the timing belt I had to be very carefull, I did try to cut the end off with a junior hacksaw blade but it was taking ages and the risk of cutting the belt was too high. Using heat was out of the equation as well, but after lots of careful jiggling and oggling with a little pry bar, it popped off, result! See offending stud below, along with a suspicious looking peri peri mayonnaise
Image20250930_183453768 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Now the question was, will the stud come out or will it snap and ruin my day (or week)
Image20250930_185512719 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

The gods have indeed shown mercy today
Image20250930_185818057 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Now I have noticed an issue where the cam belt rides on the outside of the cam gear, I have tried spacing out the tensioner, pressing the bearing more to make sure its seated properly and nothing seems obvious or is fixing it. Suggestions welcome
Image20250930_192216369 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Tried spacing out the tensioner
Image20250930_204332491 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Wear of many years of running with the belt trying to walk
Image20250930_210040610 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Update on tyres, my order got cancelled as Nankang dont have any in stock at all, and next available would be november which is a pain, as the car is blocking my 32B passat, and we've had a couple nice days where I wanted to take it out but couldnt!

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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Nice write-ups :D. The water pump doesn't have any studs - they are all bolts. Very lucky to get that one out - well done!! The vibratory polisher looks great - I need to do some research on those :D.

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Pete Boole wrote: Wed Oct 01, 2025 09:13 Nice write-ups :D. The water pump doesn't have any studs - they are all bolts. Very lucky to get that one out - well done!! The vibratory polisher looks great - I need to do some research on those :D.

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Got very lucky indeed with that stud! The vibratory polisher is good, however quite expensive and the media is quite expensive as well, but I bought it over 10 years ago so its basically free now by my maths :lol:

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Got a couple things done today, finally got the car onto the two post ramp. I really only wantdd this done today as I wanted to take my Passat out, so I found a way to pull it back to get it over the hump in the middle of the ramp

Image20251002_110010930 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
Image20251002_120155785 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
Image20251002_140743543 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Still waiting on my engineers squares to arrive to check the pulleys, but found a steel rule and it confirmed what I'd thought in that the aux pulley is sitting too far forward. So off came the tensioner and pulley AGAIN, and to my untrained eye it looked to me that the shaft should have been sitting further rearward. I now know this isnt the case, but nonetheless I have removed the oil pump and checked it and cleaned it out, hopefully not creating any more issues by doing so

Image20251002_130343937 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Thought this looked like it shoudl be further seated
Image20251002_130326874 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

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Being the ignorant new Lotus owner I thought this should have been seated like so
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All cleaned up in the ultrasonic bath
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Slight scoring on the end where the pump has been running, some slight scoring in the bores as well I assume from pulling the shaft out unfortunately
Image20251002_163044977 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Dellorto rebuild kit and carbtune have just arived through the door, so hopefully get those carbs rebuilt this evening

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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Mart1n95 wrote: Thu Oct 02, 2025 16:54
Thought this looked like it shoudl be further seated
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20251002_130326874 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
I can't remember how much (if any) gap there was here when I recently redid my camshafts (and it was only a year ago, I'm getting older...). But it would be normal for there to be a bit of a gap - that ensures that the pulley seats on the shoulder on the back of the pulley, and that the bolt can be fully tightened and all its load goes through the pulley, the washer doesn't bottom out against the end of the camshaft.

If the pulley is hard up against the shoulder on the camshaft, you should be good (if you can see in there).

MAKE SURE THE CAMSHAFT BOLT IS PROPERLY TIGHTENED TO SPECIFIED TORQUE!!! I had a bolt work loose, then the pulley was loose on the camshaft, and wear rapidly developed between the pulley, woodruff key, and camshaft nose. I was very lucky to catch it before the pulley became completely loose, which would have resulted in non-rotation of the camshaft, pistons meeting valves, and a very damaged engine :shock:
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rbgosling wrote: Thu Oct 02, 2025 17:05
Mart1n95 wrote: Thu Oct 02, 2025 16:54
Thought this looked like it shoudl be further seated
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20251002_130326874 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
I can't remember how much (if any) gap there was here when I recently redid my camshafts (and it was only a year ago, I'm getting older...). But it would be normal for there to be a bit of a gap - that ensures that the pulley seats on the shoulder on the back of the pulley, and that the bolt can be fully tightened and all its load goes through the pulley, the washer doesn't bottom out against the end of the camshaft.

If the pulley is hard up against the shoulder on the camshaft, you should be good (if you can see in there).

MAKE SURE THE CAMSHAFT BOLT IS PROPERLY TIGHTENED TO SPECIFIED TORQUE!!! I had a bolt work loose, then the pulley was loose on the camshaft, and wear rapidly developed between the pulley, woodruff key, and camshaft nose. I was very lucky to catch it before the pulley became completely loose, which would have resulted in non-rotation of the camshaft, pistons meeting valves, and a very damaged engine :shock:
Don't suppose anybody would share the torque figures for the pulley bolt and oil pump bolts as well? I could really do with the service manual but £200 is quite a lot!

I am glad you've mentioned that because I hadn't thought of torquing it and just had it snug before, should probably loc-tite it as well!

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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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Expensive, but worth it I’d say.

In the mean time, the camshaft sprocket torque is 3.5 kgf.m / 25 lbs.ft

Yes, thread lock a good idea too!
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Put a wanted add on the forum page for secondhand Service Notes. You may get lucky
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Put in a lot of hours this past couple of days, getting somewhere but its slow progress!

Spent ages, and I mean ages carefully removing the old gasket from the aux housing and block, especially because you dont want any debris into the oil ports, wouldnt be a good time!

Image20251006_114903323 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Cleaned up the sealing face for the refurbished waterpump to go back on as well

Image20251006_122211893 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Waterpump back from PNM, I must say how great it is to have guys like PNM, SJ Sportscars and LotusBits that have so many parts and the enthusiasm to keep our cars on the road, so big shout out to them. Waterpump was only a day before getting shipped back fully tested

Image20251006_122158098 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Installed the waterpump, used blue Hylomar on the gasket as a little bit of insurance against leaks. Used some nice flanged stainless bolts
Image20251006_160623290 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

As you can see, the Aux housing/oil pump all rebuilt and back on. Just put the gasket on dry for this, didnt want any possibility of rogue Hylomar or sealant in my oilways
Image20251006_160604816 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

I managed to get the car to start after this which was positive! Obviously no coolant hoses connected at this point but it started but ran pretty rubbish. Later found half of this to be that I'd forgotten to block off the vacuum take off ports from cylinders 1&4

In order to get the coolant system put back up I had to re-install the powersteering pump as it is used to set the tension of the waterpump belt. But, I have a leak on my powersteering system. So luckily the barbed fitting from the steering rack (returns to tank) is the same thread as the output from the pump fitting, so I just looped the output from the pump straight back to the tank, this prevents the pump from running dry

However, as you can see in the photos, there was a plastic piece melted into the barbed fitting, which would likely cause over-pressurization in the powersteering system and cause a leak, anyone know what this peice is? Just a sealing ring?

Image20251007_101210909 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Image20251007_101220593 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Again, I havent taken any photos foolishly of everything now its all back together, but you'll have to take my word for it for the time being!

I bought a carbtune 4-way manometer for setting up the carbs, so now the cooling system was back together I could see about making the engine run as it should. Well, this has taken hours and hours, and more hours. I hope somebody can give some advice here because I'm pretty well scunnered!

The long and short of it is that I just cant get it to idle without dying. Cylinders 1, 3 &4 plugs are a little sooty, so a bit rich, but cylinder 2 is pretty lean. When you give it a rev and its falling back down the revs cylinder 2 draws much more of a vacuum. The car also gives quite a few misfires and pops coming down the revs as well. I have set the float height as procedures state, and then lowred the height a little further just in case it was letting some droplets through and that what was causing the backfires.

Because I cant get it to idle, the carbtune isnt very useful at al because you dont have a vacuum with any throttle open, but as soon as it closes it dies. I have reset all idle mixture screws back to 3 turns, removed the anti-tamper covers for the air bypass and these are all closed, I think the only one that was 1/4 turn open as found was cylinder 1.

I wanted to check that there wasnt a stuck inlet valve or tappet so lifted off the cam cover, I had new gaskets ordered anyway as I suspected these were leaking, and were covered in silicone

As you can see, the cams are in fantastic shape which is a real relief, The valve buckets/tappets are also is brilliant condition with a nice even shiny finish. Cleaned up all the old silicone off the cam cover and head, and put the new gasket on dry. Seems to be not leaking so far

Image20251007_151402735 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr
Image20251007_151356621 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

After having some time to think about the carb situation, if the plugs are sooting up, and wont idle then its not getting enough air (a high idle is usually indicative of an air leak), so I think I'll try screwing out all the air bypass screws 1/2 a turn or so and see if that helps as a starting point

As my ethos surrounding the recommissioning of this car is to first of all make sure the engine is good. If the engine is toast the project is done, I'm not spending £2-3K on a new engine for a car that isnt in the best of shapes paintwise, its just not cost effective to spend that money on this particular car. SO along those lines I dont want to progress with sending the money on suspension, brakes etc until again I know the engine is okay. So I'm at a bit of a conundrum, because the engine, aside from running poorly because of carbs, seems in healthy condition. Oil pressure is good, no nasty rattles or knocking, no blown headgasket (I was worried about this when I'd found the blocked coolant pipe that it had cooked the engine)

So whilst mulling in my head whether to go ahead and start on the suspension & brakes or keep going and try to have the engine run smoothly I turned my attention towards the lights.

The issue is, dipped beam doesnt work, but the flashers do, and the headlights also dont go up. So I wound them both up manually and when I reconnected the battery the passenger side light flipped down straight away. Then I still had the problem of the headlights dont go up when I put on dipped, but the left hand side goes up and down when you flash!

Removed both headlights, swapped the 3 relays in the headlight area with the 3 inside the car as these work (I think), still the same. I was getting 12v to both motors but I wasnt sure what all the cables did. Swapped the motors over and the drivers side still didnt move, I guessed there must have been some sort of position switch inside as the always stopped in the same place, so I stripped the motor down to see what I could find. As you can see, a bit of corrosion on the contacts.

Image20251007_205126173 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Put my meter across the common and the closed contacts and got nothing, so the contacts obviously had some corrosion on them preventing them from conducting between each other. Took some 400 grit sandpaper and cleaned the rivet and the back of the plate until everything was conducting. Put it all back together and wrapped in self amalgamating tape, its not pretty I know, but hopefully it seals some of the water out

Image20251007_212541662 by Martin Gunn, on Flickr

Went for a final test before I went home and the drivers went up instead of down, and down instead of up, and the passengers side didn't move at all. SO I called it a night and went to bed, another problem for another day

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Re: 1983 Eclat Excel - BRS 500Y

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What's the compression like on each cylinder?

Pete

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